Pud home 22st January 2012
Off out around the park, its damp, no joggers, no paper deliveries, no dog walkers, a couple of commuters, the weather is on the turn, from deep cold to windy and blustery. The squirrels chase themselves up and down the trees. Kitten look on pretending she is above that sort of thing and not at all interested.
The vet rings, one more blood test, and if okay Pud can come home if not then she will have to stay in another night. We wait and wait and wait. Finally the phone rings, she is okay, we can come and pick her up. She looks a little better not quite so seedy. She has to come in again on Monday for a check up but apart from that fingers crossed she will be fine. Kitten in a fit of jealously stabs me with her claw drawing blood. Pud immediately goes and adheres herself to her favourite hot air vent.
Sandy comes around Joan’s previous cleaner Martin is in hospital and needs a liver transplant he is not taking it well. Joan says some of the time she does not want to be at home, she does not want to be at home, she does not want to be in a care hope she does not want to be in hospital, she does not want. Her carers are still having teething difficulties, we will go and see Joan on Monday and try and coincide with a carers visit, oh joy oh rapture.
Fish and Chips we watch You Must be Joking, an 1965 military initiative test comedy film, strange how with all the talent of the British acting profession, and trying hard can they manage to produce something so dull.
No Scrabble today so its off to bed, we are exhausted.
Fave Letters:
With regard to your 101 innovations (“Och i”, 15 January), the Scots are fond of writing their own history. If a person of note can be said to have one gene that can be traced to Scotland, the Scots claim the glory. All of the discoveries claimed by the Scots were by Scots who left that miserable place to seek employment in industries built by others, mostly English or English colonies.
Their greatest achievement is self-promotion. No wonder they play the bagpipes – it needs plenty of wind.
Fred Bishop
SIR – Perhaps the element of distrust of the police that has become apparent recently is no new phenomenon. You report (January 19) that the Metropolitan Police spent £35,000 on calling the speaking clock. This sent me back to the lyrics of that old music hall song “If you want to know the time ask a policeman.”
One couplet in the song goes: “Every member of the force has a watch and chain, of course. / How he got it, from what source? – ask a policeman.”
A later verse blames police for running away from crime. “If you want to learn to run, ask a policeman, / Round the corner he will go, swift as arrow from a bow. / He don’t care to meet the foe, does a policeman.” The lyrics come, I think, from the 1880s, and at least we don’t expect police today to have stolen watches.
Richard Thornton
London SW5
Hearty proposal
SIR – On the subject of marriage proposals (Letters, January 20), in 1730 the 28-year-old Rev Philip Doddridge wrote to a young woman called Mercy: “You have made a greater advance upon my heart in a few hours than I intended to have allowed you in so many weeks: indeed you have possessed yourself of so much room in it that unless you will consent to become a tenant for life, our parting will be exceedingly troublesome and it will be a long time before I shall get it into repair again.” They were married, of course.
David Allen
Cley next the Sea, Norfolk
Obituary:
She took charge of HMRC in the wake of the loss of computer disks containing records of 25 million child benefit cases, leading to the resignation of Paul Gray.
Dame Lesley Strathie at her investiture in 2010
Over three years she pushed through staff cuts and tax office closures, incurred criticism over the level of mistakes in assessing taxes, and saw her Second Permanent Secretary, Dave Hartnett, come under fire for alleged “sweetheart” deals to excuse Goldman Sachs and Vodafone part of their taxes.
Nevertheless, she started turning the organisation round. Nor was she afraid to face her critics, appearing on BBC1’s Watchdog to respond to viewers’ complaints about their tax affairs. When she stood down last November, the Cabinet Secretary, Sir Gus O’Donnell, said her departure came “at a time when HMRC was achieving very real improvements in its performance”, and hailed her as a “wonderful role model”.
Lesley Ann Cooke was born at Stranraer on September 24 1955, and left Stranraer Academy at 16 to join the DHSS as a clerical officer. Transferring to the Department of Employment, she moved to London in 1984. There she took charge of an unemployment benefit office, and developed twin passions for Arsenal and the Royal Shakespeare Company.
After joining the senior civil service in 2000 her advance was rapid: the Department for Work and Pensions’ London field director in 2001; chief operating officer of JobCentre Plus (which she had helped create) in 2003. From 2005 she was simultaneously chief executive of JobCentre Plus; Second Permanent Secretary at the DWP; and head of profession for operational delivery in the civil service.
In November 2008 she was appointed Chief Executive and Permanent Secretary at HMRC. In the year following Gray’s resignation, Hartnett had taken charge while issues of data security were addressed and lines of accountability reviewed.
Gray’s role was divided, with Mike Clasper, previously chief executive of the airports operator BAA, becoming HMRC’s chairman; Hartnett became Second Permanent Secretary for Tax.
After angering the civil service unions by cutting thousands of jobs, Dame Lesley upset the Treasury Select Committee by insisting staff had made “no mistakes”; she deflected blame by saying that HMRC was at a disadvantage because, unlike private business, “we don’t have a choice about who we serve”.
Soon after being appointed DCB in 2010, Dame Lesley carried the can for the failed introduction of a new IT system for Pay-As-You-Earn and National Insurance. She told the Public Accounts Committee it had been brought down by poor communication between the programme team and potential users, poor data quality and, above all, failure to incorporate 400 changes needed in the six years between the system being ordered and going live.
Diagnosed with cancer in July 2011, she went on sick leave; Clasper led HMRC in her absence. She stood down in November to concentrate on her treatment, and a month later Hartnett, after a savaging from the Treasury Select Committee, announced that he would retire this summer. She died 66 days after leaving HMRC.
Lesley Cooke married, in 1974, David Strathie, with whom she had a daughter and a son who predeceased her. They divorced in 1996 and at the time of her death she was finalising plans for her wedding to Kevin White, human resources director at the Home Office. The banns for the marriage were posted a week before she died.
Dame Lesley Strathie, born September 24 1955, died January 14 2012
Full Text:
Guardian:
Neal Ascherson is correct in assuming that there is a case for giving Scotland greater control over its affairs, but wrong in suggesting that this should form part of a referendum on independence – yes or no. (“If Scotland becomes a sovereign, mature nation, England gains too”, Comment). Adding a third question on “devolution plus” or “devo max” would likely result in a large majority for such a move, irrespective of its merits, simply because a large proportion (perhaps all) of the “yes” camp for independence would be tempted to vote also for devo max (or “plus”), but only as a fall-back position, and to this would be added the votes of those who might genuinely favour greater devolved powers rather than independence.
And what about those who want neither devo max nor independence? Only if it were made compulsory to vote for just one of the three options could potential bias be averted – but no one has suggested that as yet.
The extent and implications of the additional devolved powers that may be desirable from both Scottish and UK perspectives are totally unclear and only when clarified could, if necessary, form part of a later referendum. Mr Ascherson is also right in assuming that, given Mr Salmond’s skill at picking quarrels with Westminster and his skill at the blame game and at whipping up nationalistic fervour, he would regard devo max as the next stepping stone to full independence.
In an interview in the same issue of the Observer, Alistair Darling points out the limitations on fiscal autonomy in Scotland imposed by those controlling the currency – whether the Bank of England for sterling or Brussels and Frankfurt for the euro. This applies as much to devo max as to independence.
Dr Gerald Wiener
Inverness
Neil Ascherson’s article is remarkably one-sided. Most would agree that if the Scots want independence then they themselves should decide it (though if parts of Scotland such as the Shetlands decide to go it alone or wish to keep the oil revenues to themselves would Alex Salmond agree? And if not, why not?). However, if the Scots want devo max, then the rest of the UK should have a say in whether they agree or not, since it is keeping costly liabilities and giving succour to a people who seemingly “want their cake and eat it”. In such a case, then the other parts of the UK have a right to say yea or nay.
JKM (George) Krawiec
North Thoresby
Lincs
You and Neal Ascherson plump squarely for devo max. Its necessary implication, and presumably for Wales also, is “United Kingdom lite”. Constitutionally, this entails turning the UK into a federation, with a new parliament for England and federal institutions to manage things of common concern, essentially foreign policy and defence and probably a new constitutional court as well as the supreme court.
Like you, I would welcome this as the harbinger of a “modern confident state”.
Benedict Birnberg
London SE3
The SNP wishes to hold its referendum on independence in 2014 to follow the anniversary of the battle of Bannockburn, which it will no doubt use as a nationalist flag-waving extravaganza.
September 2013 is the 500th anniversary of the battle of Flodden, a devastating defeat for Scotland in which its king and many of its nobility were killed. Should we English flag-wave? I suggest that instead we commemorate that battle by holding a dignified but very visible ceremony (Flodden is conveniently close to the border) to remember the dead on both sides and the politics of divisiveness that led to their slaughter.
We should then challenge the SNP to commemorate Bannockburn in the same spirit.
John Greenwood
Ewhurst
Surrey
Independent:
Your leading article (“A fascinating battle begins”, 15 January)
poses many of the key issues relating to a referendum on Scottish
independence, but omits asking what is a “nation”.
Independence requires adherence to concepts of sovereignty and of a separate nation, whereas devolution needs a cultural identity and a recognition that many activities of government should be devolved to a body democratically elected by those who feel a real sense of being a cultural community.
Is there an ethnic entity that is identifiably Scottish, with clear and defendable borders? Certainly Scotland has a native language, albeit spoken by less than 2 per cent of its inhabitants, and its own legal and education systems. But the nature of modern society, with its mobility and its globalisation of business and of ownership, means the argument for a Scottish nation is arguably much less sustainable than it was even a few decades ago.
I happen to be a Yorkshireman. Yorkshire has a similar population to Scotland, and if many of us look askance at the idea of total independence for Scotland, the debate certainly encourages us to argue for real devolution to our region.
Michael Meadowcroft
Leeds
The current configuration of the UK is not God given but politically constructed, often with military force. In that sense, there is nothing in principle to stop Scotland from leaving if that is what the majority wants. Whether it is the best way of directing political effort is another matter. I’d rather get rid of those people who would let bankers get off with financial mismanagement while slashing the jobs and services of ordinary people.
Keith Flett
London N17
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In your article “Scots wha hae!” (15 January), you comment that it’s not clear if Plymouth could be adapted to house Britain’s Trident D5 nuclear warheads if they were no longer held in Scotland.
There is currently a consultation by the Ministry of Defence on how to deal with decommissioned nuclear submarines. The consultation proposes Devonport as a site for their initial dismantling and a possible site for the storage of the resulting intermediate-level nuclear waste.
As you point out, the facilities in Plymouth are not at a remote site. They are in a city of 250,000 people. The MoD is seeking responses to its consultation, to be received by 17 February. See mod.uk/submarinedismantling.
Ginny Davies
Tavistock, Devon
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With regard to your 101 innovations (“Och i”, 15 January), the Scots are fond of writing their own history. If a person of note can be said to have one gene that can be traced to Scotland, the Scots claim the glory. All of the discoveries claimed by the Scots were by Scots who left that miserable place to seek employment in industries built by others, mostly English or English colonies.
Their greatest achievement is self-promotion. No wonder they play the bagpipes – it needs plenty of wind.
Fred Bishop
Via email
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Your correspondent (Letters, 15 January) wrote about the waste of energy from overflowing Snowdonian lakes and how it could be used to generate electricity. There is such a scheme, Dinorwig (fhc.co.uk/dinorwig.htm). It is used to pump water from a bottom lake to a top one in off-peak hours and supply the National Grid when required. It is a great visit and the coach goes right inside the mountain. It is now privatised. Your correspondent is whistling for a more sensible past. No more will be built.
Dave Nicholson
Windsor, Berkshire
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So, Margareta Pagano found some of the best Christmas food offers at her local Waitrose (15 January). Great research, but that “the rest of the nation’s shoppers” were “lured to Aldi and Netto for their bulk buys” is most unlikely. Netto has been closed since August.
Roger Armstrong
Grange-over-Sands, Cumbria
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One can only assume Mr Birkett (Letters, 15 January) is one of those who accepts that a 17-year-old may get married, have children, own a home, join the army, pay taxes and drive, yet cannot buy a knife to use in his kitchen or vote for his representative.
Duncan Gauld
Edinbugh
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Correction – The Sun
On 10 April last year in an article headlined “Royals believe Eugenie and Beatrice targeted” we reported suspicions held by Prince Andrew that his daughters’ phones may have been hacked. Our article implied that hacking may have been carried out by The Sun newspaper. The Sun has asked us to point out that there is no evidence whatsoever any such hacking was carried out by the title or on behalf of the title. We are happy to make the position clear.
Telegraph:
SIR – Planning studies carried out for the 2001 airports White Paper looked at the whole of the South East. It would be plain common sense to build as close as possible to the heart of England but, while there are several sites with potential, the fury which would result from even thinking about a massive new inland airport would make HS2 look like a picnic.
Both the Lord Foster plan and the Boris Island plan for the Thames Estuary ignore a preferable site. In the 1999 study that included the estuary, the transport department preferred the Isle of Grain site. In the last decade the Isle of Grain has become less suitable, with the further development of the gas terminal.
The other estuary option then favoured by many of the study team was to build on the edge of the Isle of Sheppey.
The advantages of Sheppey remain as they were then: greatly reduced noise impact on south-east London; distance from Heathrow sufficient for both airports to operate to the full; adequate clearances from both the gas terminal and the USS Richard Montgomery. The M2 and Channel tunnel rail link would be no farther than for the Foster site and the costs of construction would be no greater.
Boris Island, by comparison, would be far more costly and take longer to build. Without unduly prolonging consultation, Sheppey should be given consideration as a more sensible compromise site.
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Ask a policeman and learn more than the time
21 Jan 2012
The Olympic programme will have taken just eight years to bring to fruition. Similarly, following consultation, building an airport need take no longer than the nine years required for the Hong Kong offshore airport from go-ahead to opening.
Sir Peter Innes Bt
Headbourne Worthy, Hampshire
SIR – It is airport transfers, not the exact time spent in car, train or bus, that are the hassle. Leaving aside costs, Stansted would be less convenient than the estuary for two million people in Kent and Sussex; equally convenient for 10 million in and around London; and much more convenient for 15 million from the West Midlands, southwards and eastwards.
J. A. Sutherland
Raglan, Monmouthshire
SIR – It is not surprising that a letter disagreeing with a Thames Estuary airport as “a disaster for the environment” is signed by representatives of Friends of the Earth and the RSPB. It is surprising that it is also signed by representatives of Christian Aid and the Catholic Agency for Overseas Development.
If Christian charities that collect money to help people in poor parts of the world know nothing about the subject, it seems odd to sign a public letter. If they allow staff to spend time studying the facts about the airport, how can they can justify using them in this way rather than in the ways for which people donate money – helping the world’s poor?
Eric Hester
Bolton, Lancashire
Scottish armed forces
SIR – Many years ago, the same discussion arose regarding an independent Scottish defence force (report, January 19). There was to be a Scottish air force, as well as an army and navy. That is how you recognise that the nationalists have been overcome by their own grandiose ideas for Scotland. Do any of them know what a Typhoon fighter costs to buy and run?
Alan F. Smith
Ponteland, Northumberland
British benefits
SIR – My American-born daughter-in-law lives in this country with her husband, my son, with the permission of a spousal visa. Inserted into her American passport, it reads: “No access to public funds.”
How can we have 370,000 migrants in this country receiving state benefits? Our leaders must tackle the problems caused by lax immigration laws.
Jayne Roberts
Truro, Cornwall
Localism a lost cause
SIR – Ours is a large village of nearly 2,500 people in rural Bedfordshire. For three years, we have been fighting a plan to build a wind farm of 10 turbines, each 400ft high and as close as 820 yards from the edge of the village – against European Commission recommendations, which are for a minimum of 2,187 yards.
After two public meetings, at which 95 per cent of those attending were against the proposal, and a full public inquiry, the development has been given the go-ahead on the basis that the public need outweighs any potential problems for the village. Once constructed, we fully expect a further application to complete the 16 turbines originally proposed.
One must conclude that the process is predetermined by a “presumption to approve” and that we might as well have rolled over at the start and saved ourselves much time, money, and frustration.
Brian Clarke
Langford, Bedfordshire
Turks prefer posh
SIR – Joan Bakewell, who was told by the BBC that her accent was “too posh” (Comment, January 20), might be interested to know that in my native Turkey exactly the opposite situation prevails.
More and more of Turkey’s 75 million population are turning away from the BBC World Service when they hear yet another regional accent instead of the Queen’s English. They assume that the BBC is on an economy drive, and cannot afford to hire speakers of the English they expect.
It is perhaps time the English realised that this “too posh” business is unique to this country. In France nobody speaking with a Marseilles accent would expect to be hired by the French public broadcaster.
Osman Streater
London NW3
Hearty proposal
SIR – On the subject of marriage proposals (Letters, January 20), in 1730 the 28-year-old Rev Philip Doddridge wrote to a young woman called Mercy: “You have made a greater advance upon my heart in a few hours than I intended to have allowed you in so many weeks: indeed you have possessed yourself of so much room in it that unless you will consent to become a tenant for life, our parting will be exceedingly troublesome and it will be a long time before I shall get it into repair again.” They were married, of course.
David Allen
Cley next the Sea, Norfolk
Doctors on strike
SIR – Doctors used the public’s favourable opinion of their profession to halve their work load under Gordon Brown’s government. Now they have the gall to consider striking over pension cuts (report, January 19) when the rest of us have had to swallow the bitter pill of austerity.
Martyn Kennard
Hythe, Kent
SIR – I am not one of the doctors who voted for strike action, but I share their anger. It is a little-publicised fact that the NHS Pension Scheme has a surplus of around £2 billion a year. As the scheme does not have a fund, this represents a substantial annual profit to the taxpayer.
The scheme is in surplus because it was reformed in 2008. The health-care unions accepted that the scheme had to take account of increasing life expectancy. My superannuation contributions rose by 25 per cent. Higher-earning doctors’ contributions increased by 42 per cent.
It was also agreed that the scheme should be reviewed triennially. The next review is due in 2014. Right now, there is no justification for changing the scheme.
Dr Tim Cantor
Ryarsh, Kent
SIR – Current proposals will increase doctors’ pension contributions by up to 15 per cent of salary, in contrast to civil servant or MP schemes which will only require an increase of 5 to 8 per cent.
The combination of a wage freeze for up to five years (with inflation at 5 per cent) together with a proposed increase in pension contributions will represent a 20 per cent pay cut for most doctors.
This will result in current trainees paying in an additional £250,000 over their career and being forced to work to 67 or 68, with a reduced final pension.
Dr Mike Hewitt-Symonds
Lymm, Cheshire
SIR – It was a betrayal of patient interests when the British Medical Association and British Doctors Association became unions and disqualified themselves from professional status. Now we know why.
Dr Nigel J. Knott
Bradford on Avon, Wiltshire
Low-octane post
SIR – If the Royal Mail gets its way (“Price of second-class stamps to rise 50 per cent”, report, January 20), it will be cheaper to buy a litre of petrol than to post three second-class letters.
Lynne Waldron
Woolavington, Somerset
Politicians fail to look cool by not wearing a tie
SIR – How refreshing to note that Professor Martin Roth of the Victoria and Albert Museum bemoans the fact that so few men wear ties with suits (report, January 18).
As Patrick Murphy, head cutter at Huntsman, said: “If a gentleman is wearing a suit and not a tie, it’s as if he hasn’t finished getting dressed.”
It really is the most appalling trend and I can think of no sadder sight than that of a politician being interviewed and trying to look “cool” by not wearing a tie.
Why can’t we take pride in our appearance?
Robin Page
Broadstairs, Kent
SIR – Men’s shirts are designed to be worn with a tie. If being tieless is now the norm, would shirt manufacturers redesign the collar so it does not look an untidy mess?
Cyril Burton
Abbots Morton, Worcestershire
SIR – I share Professor Roth’s sadness that only security guards now seem to wear ties.But should I be worried that every evening I eat my dinner with a security guard who looks very like my husband?
Carol Lambert
Odiham, Hampshire
SIR – Soon after George Simpson took over the GEC-Marconi Group from Arnold Weinstock, a directive was issued to all staff saying that casual dress was now mandatory and that ties were definitely not allowed.
Where is Marconi now?
Mervyn Vallance
Maldon, Essex
SIR – I, too, have a tie for every day of the month (Letters, January 20). It’s a blue one.
Dick Woodhead
Tiverton, Devon
Irish Times:
Irish Independent:
Sir — As a senior citizen in receipt of a pension, I’m beginning to realise just how important I am to this present Government. I know that I’m not alone in this, being one of the 115,000 pensioners to have received the recent tax threat.
We can see now what we voted in. Just when we had digested the bad news of charges for septic tank inspections and the charges of replacing them if deemed necessary and the €100 levy on every household in the country, we are kicked again in the teeth with a tax bill.
After 12 months in office, the Government has enabled two departments to communicate with each other and so now they can chase down the senior citizens of Ireland. Rumours abound that our free travel passes could be next in line to be axed or cut in some way.
May I suggest that if they do take our passes from us they should give them to our so-called ministers and take their perks from them? They should also take our votes from us, because otherwise I can assure you that we’ll break with them at the next general election.
We pensioners are well aware of the financial state of the country. We didn’t cause the problem. I worked all my life, reared a family and tried to put away a few euro for retirement only now to be hit with an unfair tax. None of us is going to take any money with us when we die, it will all go back into the system one way or another.
If it ever comes to a show-down between pensioners and government, I’ll be honoured to lead the white-haired battalion followed closely by the blue-rinse brigade and we’ll march into battle as best we can to the beat of our pacemakers and the rattle of our replacement hips, faulty or otherwise.
James J Heslin,
Lucan, Co Dublin
Sir — As an ordinary, appreciative reader of the Sunday Independent, for so many years, I’d like to express sincere regret at the passing of editor, Aengus Fanning. His hard, dedicated work and his professional expertise and wise care, ensured that our nation enjoyed, and benefited, from a great Irish paper every Sunday.
Sean O Cuinn,
Blackrock, Co Dublin
Sir — As a former contributor to the Sunday Independent, I wish to express my condolences on the death of its editor, Aengus Fanning.
Aengus was a visionary who never lost sight of the moral aspirations of middle Ireland. This was obvious in the courageous way he defended Irish democracy from violent nationalism. It was obvious in the way he ripped through the politically correct pretensions of the liberal elite. It was obvious in the way he cultivated and promoted journalists driven by moral clarity. It was obvious in the way he was forever fostering a sense of traditional community values.
At a personal level, it was obvious in his sense of style. During my three years writing for this newspaper, the editor would regularly send me a hand-written note expressing support and encouragement. It was a gesture full of grace for which I shall always be grateful.
It is not often that we can say with sincerity that “he did the State some service”. Today, we can shout it from the hilltops. For we have not only lost a great editor, but a moral titan whose contribution to this country is simply incalculable.
Dr Mark Dooley,
Killiney, Dublin
Sir — I wish to extend my condolences and sympathy to the family of Sunday Independent editor Aengus Fanning. I certainly didn’t agree with everything that was written and said in the Sunday Independent over the years, but it cannot be denied that the Sunday Independent under the stewardship of Aengus Fanning was never afraid to be controversial and say things, no matter how unpopular they were, and we need more people to say controversial things, no matter how unpopular they are, not less, and those of us who disagreed were always given the right of reply, either by letters to the editor, which I often did, or by having their own column the following week, and I wish to thank you for often publishing my letters. Aengus Fanning, rest in peace.
Pol O CionsalIgh,
Seantrabh, Baile Atha Cliath 9
Sir — I want to express my condolences on the passing of Aengus Fanning. I did not know him, but I supported a few of his articles, and had contact with him once online in relation to a support letter which was published.
He seemed a very nice and considerate man from that fleeting contact I had with him. May he rest in peace; he will be missed.
Pierce Martin,
Celbridge, Co Kildare
Sir — An irreplaceable, universally admired editor, endowed with the gift of wisdom and foresight. May he rest in peace.
Niall Ginty,
Killester, Dublin 5
Sir — My sympathies to all connected with Aengus Fanning. Ireland has suddenly become a darker place now that his light has been extinguished.
May he rest in peace.
Eddie Naughton,
The Coombe, Dublin 8
Sir — Being in shock on hearing of the death of the esteemed, erudite, eccentric, humorous, sometimes “over the top” wonderful editor of the Sunday Independent, Aengus Fanning, I send genuine sympathy to all and feel sure he is smiling down from a more peaceful haven. May he rest in peace.
Kathleen Corrigan,
Cootehill, Co Cavan
Killian Foley-Walsh is spot on (Letters, January 19) — why not use the entire tank in the National Pension Reserve Fund to open our very own Rating Agency?
Money for jam and risk-free. We have loads of large, empty buildings and thousands of nutty economists crying out for useful employment.
Imagine the sheer joy of causing consternation throughout the world as our Irish-based troika sets the fiscal rules of engagement.
Now’s the time to go for it — before the Greeks beat us to it!
Niall Ginty
Killester, Co Dublin
Well I must be off
best wishes John
